Legislature(2023 - 2024)ADAMS 519

01/23/2024 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:36:13 PM Start
01:37:56 PM Presentation: Savings, Reserves, & Investment Funds
02:57:25 PM Adjourn
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+ Presentation: Savings, Reserves, and Investment TELECONFERENCED
Funds by Commissioner Adam Crum;
Pam Leary, Director; and Zach Hanna, Chief
Investment Officer, Treasury Division, Department
of Revenue
                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     January 23, 2024                                                                                           
                         1:36 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:36:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson called the House Finance Committee meeting                                                                     
to order at 1:36 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bryce Edgmon, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative DeLena Johnson, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Julie Coulombe                                                                                                   
Representative Mike Cronk                                                                                                       
Representative Alyse Galvin                                                                                                     
Representative Sara Hannan                                                                                                      
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Representative Dan Ortiz                                                                                                        
Representative Will Stapp                                                                                                       
Representative Frank Tomaszewski                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Pam Leary, Director, Treasury Division, Department of                                                                           
Revenue; Zach Hanna, Chief Investment Officer, Treasury                                                                         
Division, Department of Revenue.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Adam Crum, Commissioner, Department of Revenue.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: SAVINGS, RESERVES, & INVESTMENT FUNDS                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson gave an overview of the agenda for the                                                                         
day. She indicated that testifiers were online and in the                                                                       
room to present.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: SAVINGS, RESERVES, & INVESTMENT FUNDS                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:37:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAM LEARY,  DIRECTOR, TREASURY DIVISION,  introduced herself                                                                    
and her staff.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ADAM  CRUM, COMMISSIONER,  DEPARTMENT OF  REVENUE, ANCHORAGE                                                                    
(via teleconference),  appreciated the committee's  time. He                                                                    
apologized for  not being  at the meeting  in person  due to                                                                    
weather issues.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary introduced the  PowerPoint Presentation "Update on                                                                    
the State's  Investment Funds and Cash  Flows" dated January                                                                    
18, 2024  (copy on  file). She reviewed  the agenda  for the                                                                    
presentation  on  slide  2.  She advanced  to  slide  4  and                                                                    
offered an  overview of the  Treasury Division's  role under                                                                    
the Department  of Revenue (DOR).  The slide showed  four of                                                                    
the sections  in the division:  the Cash  Management Section                                                                    
was  in  the  bottom  right  corner of  the  slide  and  the                                                                    
remaining  three sections  related to  the investments.  The                                                                    
division  had 40  experienced staff  members,  many of  whom                                                                    
held  professional designations  such as  CFAs, CPAs,  CTPs,                                                                    
and  other  advanced   degrees  and  designations.  Managing                                                                    
numerous  funds  and  cash  flows was  a  complex  task  and                                                                    
required  an  understanding  of  investment  management  and                                                                    
banking systems which were highly  integrated into the state                                                                    
accounting system.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary directed  attention to  the Portfolio  Management                                                                    
Section  on the  slide.  She relayed  that  the section  was                                                                    
referred  to  as the  "front  office"  of the  treasury  and                                                                    
invested  assets  for  state fiduciaries  using  the  Alaska                                                                    
Retirement  Management Board  (ARMB). In  FY 23,  there were                                                                    
57,000 trades made  on behalf of hundreds  of state accounts                                                                    
that  rolled  into  48  investment  funds  and  utilized  32                                                                    
investment pools.  The pools were supported  by 150 external                                                                    
and  internal investment  managers  and  600 private  equity                                                                    
funds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary  continued  to   the  accounting  and  operations                                                                    
portion of the  treasury, which ensured that  all trades and                                                                    
costs  were  directed  and  accounted  for  in  the  correct                                                                    
accounts and  funds. The  next section  of the  division was                                                                    
the compliance  office, or "middle" office,  which performed                                                                    
160  compliance tests  on trades  every  day and  calculated                                                                    
daily  performance  for  30  state  funds  internally.  Cash                                                                    
management processed  roughly 100,000  transactions annually                                                                    
for departments  to realize revenue and  expenditures in the                                                                    
accounting system.  Cash inflows  and cash  outflows totaled                                                                    
over  $15   billion  annually.  The  cash   management  team                                                                    
coordinated  with  the  investment   team  to  maximize  the                                                                    
state's investment assets.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  advanced to slide 5  and gave an overview  of the                                                                    
complex  funds  that  were  managed  by  the  treasury.  The                                                                    
treasury managed $50  billion in assets for  48 funds across                                                                    
the   risk   spectrum   from  lower   risk   cash-equivalent                                                                    
investments  through higher  risk  endowment and  retirement                                                                    
funds. Retirement  funds had the highest  risk tolerance and                                                                    
included  18  different  funds  totaling  $41  billion.  The                                                                    
remaining  funds on  the  slide were  state  funds and  were                                                                    
listed by  risk tolerance. Over  half the assets  managed by                                                                    
the treasury were directed or  traded internally by treasury                                                                    
staff.  The treasury  met with  ARMB  and state  fiduciaries                                                                    
quarterly   to  review   investment   performance  and   set                                                                    
investment policy  and asset allocations.  There was  also a                                                                    
three-person  investment  advisory committee  that  provided                                                                    
independent  viewpoints  based  on the  members'  respective                                                                    
investment  backgrounds.  The  treasury  team  had  provided                                                                    
excess returns, cost savings, and error prevention.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:42:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson asked  what the chart on the  right side of                                                                    
the slide was  referring to. She asked  for more information                                                                    
on the Illinois Creek Mine.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary  responded  that the  Illinois  Creek  Mine  fund                                                                    
contained  money that  was given  out upon  bankruptcy of  a                                                                    
mine  managed by  the state.  The monies  would be  used for                                                                    
mine reclamation for the Illinois Creek Mine.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson asked where the mine was located.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary responded  that she  did not  know but  she would                                                                    
follow up.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson responded that  he thought the mine                                                                    
was in the YukonKuskokwim Delta.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary remarked  that the  mine had  a long  history and                                                                    
money changed hands  multiple times in order  to acquire the                                                                    
funds for  the mine  reclamation. She  would follow  up with                                                                    
more detail.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson  asked if the  mine was already  on deposit                                                                    
for reclamation  of the site.  She asked if the  mine itself                                                                    
transferred hands.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary responded that  the management company transferred                                                                    
hands.  The responsible  company experienced  bankruptcy and                                                                    
the  money was  received by  the  state as  payment for  the                                                                    
bankruptcy.  She understood  that there  was a  schedule for                                                                    
using the money.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Johnson  wanted   to  ensure   that  the   proper                                                                    
reclamation efforts had occurred.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan asked what  the assumed end date would                                                                    
be  for the  reclamation  plan. She  wondered  if the  state                                                                    
still needed  $1 million  from reclamation  or if  it needed                                                                    
closer to $1 billion.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Johnson asked  Ms. Leary  to follow  up with  some                                                                    
general information about the mine.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary would follow up with the requested information.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tomaszewski noted that  there were two school                                                                    
funds  listed on  the slide:  the Public  School Trust  Fund                                                                    
(PSTF)  with  $799  million  in  assets  and  the  Education                                                                    
Endowment with  $1.3 million. He asked  for more information                                                                    
about the funds.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Crum replied that he  would be covering PSTF in                                                                    
more  detail  later  in   the  presentation.  The  Education                                                                    
Endowment fund was essentially a  raffle, and it was growing                                                                    
in size.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tomaszewski  replied that  he would  be happy                                                                    
to wait for the information further on in the presentation.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:46:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ZACH  HANNA, CHIEF  INVESTMENT  OFFICER, TREASURY  DIVISION,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT OF  REVENUE, continued the presentation  on slide                                                                    
6. Overall, 2023 was a strong  year for the funds managed by                                                                    
the   treasury.   Returns  exceeded   peer-performance   and                                                                    
benchmarks which meant that state  assets had seen an influx                                                                    
of revenue.  The treasury team focused  on low-cost internal                                                                    
investment  management which  made the  state's costs  lower                                                                    
than its peers.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hanna  advanced to slide  8 which detailed an  update on                                                                    
the  capital market  performance.  The prior  few years  had                                                                    
been volatile  and capital markets  had been focused  on the                                                                    
interplay  of   inflation,  interest  rates,   and  economic                                                                    
growth. The Federal Reserve  responded strongly to inflation                                                                    
by  increasing short-term  interest rates  to 5.25  percent,                                                                    
which  decreased annualized  inflation from  9.1 percent  in                                                                    
June of 2022  to 3.4 percent in December of  2023. The chart                                                                    
on the right  side of the slide ranked  benchmark returns by                                                                    
asset class from  2018 through 2023 and  performance in 2023                                                                    
was positive  across all measured  asset classes.  There was                                                                    
also  a  26 percent  increase  in  broad U.S.  equities  and                                                                    
roughly 5 percent in returns  for core U.S. fixed income and                                                                    
cash equivalents.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hanna  continued to slide  9, which included a  chart on                                                                    
the  treasury  asset  class performance  that  the  treasury                                                                    
managed for non-retirement  state portfolios. The investment                                                                    
pools  were  all  comingled and  used  to  construct  highly                                                                    
lucrative portfolios  for the state that  were efficient and                                                                    
low  cost.   The  majority  of   the  assets   were  managed                                                                    
internally  and focused  on delivering  market returns  with                                                                    
significant upsides and limited downsides.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Hanna  explained that  the  top  section of  the  chart                                                                    
showed  the total  performance by  asset  class, the  middle                                                                    
section  showed   benchmark  performance,  and   the  bottom                                                                    
section showed  performance relative  to the  benchmark. All                                                                    
of  the  numbers were  relevant  through  December of  2023.                                                                    
Returns were  strong in the  top section and cash  and bonds                                                                    
ranged from 4 percent to  8 percent and equities ranged from                                                                    
10  percent  to 26  percent.  The  returns added  over  $300                                                                    
million in income gains during 2023.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Hanna  relayed  that the  bottom  section  also  showed                                                                    
strong overall returns.  More than 80 percent  of the assets                                                                    
in the state  portfolio were in the  first three categories:                                                                    
cash, short-term  fixed income,  and core fixed  income. The                                                                    
categories   were  all   internally  managed   and  produced                                                                    
consistently  excellent  returns.  Total excess  returns  in                                                                    
2023 for  internally managed accounts across  ARMB and state                                                                    
assets added $90 million in value over benchmark returns.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:50:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp referred to  the Real Estate Investment                                                                    
Trust (REIT) asset class listed  on the slide. He noted that                                                                    
REITs typically  paid high dividends.  He asked if  the high                                                                    
dividend  payouts were  included in  the figures  or if  the                                                                    
figures represented the base of the investment itself.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Hanna   responded   that  REIT   performance   figures                                                                    
represented the  total return  between the  appreciation and                                                                    
the  income component.  The REITs  returns  were the  lowest                                                                    
returns  listed on  the chart  due to  the challenging  real                                                                    
estate market.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Stapp  assumed   that   the  treasury   was                                                                    
responding accordingly to the market.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Hanna responded  that REITs  were a  small part  of the                                                                    
state portfolio and were only  used in the larger endowment-                                                                    
style  funds.  He  relayed  that  REITs  were  the  smallest                                                                    
allocation  of the  funds and  made  up about  1.5 of  total                                                                    
assets. The  REITs were  used primarily  for diversification                                                                    
of funds  and the  division was comfortable  maintaining the                                                                    
current allocation given the strong performance.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon  remarked that the  PCE Endowment  was moved                                                                    
over  to  the  Alaska   Permanent  Fund  Corporation  (APFC)                                                                    
through a  bill that had  been passed in the  prior session.                                                                    
He asked whether the transition had been completed.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Hanna responded  that there  were upcoming  slides that                                                                    
would cover the topic in  detail. The transition occurred at                                                                    
the end of the prior fiscal year and was successful.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Johnson  asked   about  the  relationship  between                                                                    
Callan and Associates and the state agencies.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hanna responded that Callan  was the consultant for ARMB                                                                    
but it  was not a  consultant for the treasury's  assets. He                                                                    
explained  that ARMB  went through  a  periodic request  for                                                                    
proposal (RFP)  process to  hire investment  consultants and                                                                    
Callan  had been  a successful  recipient of  the RFP  for a                                                                    
long period  of time. The  RFP process  was set to  occur in                                                                    
the  present year.  He  added that  Callan  was also  APFC's                                                                    
consultant. From  the division's perspective, Callan  was an                                                                    
ARMB  consultant  and  not a  state  retirement  consultant.                                                                    
Callan  had often  reported to  the legislature  due to  the                                                                    
meaningful relationships it had with ARMB and APFC.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:55:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  continued to  slide 10  and detailed  the savings                                                                    
reserve funds. She  relayed that the blue part  of the chart                                                                    
on the  slide discussed the  fiscal year-end balance  of the                                                                    
main fund of the  Constitutional Budget Reserve Fund (CBRF).                                                                    
The fund was created in  1990 when Alaska voters approved an                                                                    
amendment  to the  constitution. All  money received  by the                                                                    
state  after July  1, 1990,  through resolution  of disputes                                                                    
about  the  amount  of certain  mineral-related  income  was                                                                    
required to be deposited into the CBRF.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary  explained that  the  yellow  area of  the  chart                                                                    
showed the amounts  of the subaccount of the  CBRF which the                                                                    
legislature  created   in  2000.   In  accordance   with  AS                                                                    
37.10.430,  money  invested  in   the  subaccount  would  be                                                                    
invested  to earn  higher  returns than  in  the main  fund.                                                                    
Utilizing   the  subaccount   was  limited   based  on   the                                                                    
assumption that the  funds would not be needed  for at least                                                                    
five years.  In 2008,  $4.1 billion  was deposited  into the                                                                    
subaccount and was  managed to achieve a  higher return than                                                                    
the main  fund. In April  of 2015, the balance  was returned                                                                    
to the main fund when it  was determined that the fund would                                                                    
be   needed  within   five   years.   The  legislature   may                                                                    
appropriate funds from the  CBRF under certain circumstances                                                                    
to fund  the operations  of state  government with  a simple                                                                    
majority  vote when  the amount  for appropriation  was less                                                                    
than the  prior year,  in which  case a  three-quarters vote                                                                    
would be required.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary indicated  that the  green  area represented  the                                                                    
statutory  budget reserve  (SBR) fund  which was  created in                                                                    
1986  and  was part  of  the  General  Fund and  Other  Non-                                                                    
Segregated  Investments  (GeFONSI)  before and  after  being                                                                    
managed as a  separate fund from 2013 through  2015. On June                                                                    
30, 2023, the  balance of the CBRF was $2.6  billion and the                                                                    
SBR contained $404 million.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:57:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hanna continued  on slide 11. The treasury  had a formal                                                                    
state  investment  review  with   the  commissioner  and  an                                                                    
independent investment  advisory committee.  Capital markets                                                                    
and performance  were reviewed for  each fund  quarterly and                                                                    
reviewed  capital   market  assumptions  and   select  asset                                                                    
classes for investment at least  once per year. The treasury                                                                    
went through  each fund and  set the appropriate  policy and                                                                    
asset allocation  in a transparent  manner. He  relayed that                                                                    
the CBRF  had a low-risk tolerance  and could be used  as an                                                                    
emergency  reserve during  times of  cash flow  uncertainty.                                                                    
The fund  had a  potentially short  time horizon  and needed                                                                    
high  principal protection.  The  CBRF was  invested in  100                                                                    
percent  cash  equivalents and  2023  was  a good  year  for                                                                    
short-term  investments  such  as  the  CBRF.  The  one-year                                                                    
performance was  5.39 percent, which  beat the  benchmark by                                                                    
41  basis   points.  He  clarified  that   one  basis  point                                                                    
represented one  one-hundredth of  a percent;  therefore, 41                                                                    
basis points was 0.41 percent.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon  commented that it  seemed like there  was a                                                                    
lot going on and that  the treasury had a substantial amount                                                                    
of in-flow and  out-flow. He asked if the CBRF  was a buffer                                                                    
and if  it was  considered the  working capital  reserve. He                                                                    
appreciated all of the work done by the treasury.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hanna  replied that  he appreciated  the acknowledgment.                                                                    
Both  the  general fund  and  the  CBRF  were subject  to  a                                                                    
potentially high volume of cash transactions.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson asked  Mr.  Hanna  to explain  the                                                                    
growth in  the CBRF  over the  previous year.  He understood                                                                    
that  the legislature  did not  draw  from the  CBRF in  the                                                                    
prior year and that there  would be surplus funds coming in,                                                                    
but the  funds had not  been seen  yet. He was  surprised by                                                                    
the growth of the fund.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  responded that  the sweep  occurred in  the prior                                                                    
two years but there was not  a reverse sweep. The surplus of                                                                    
about $1.5 million  had been moved to  the CBRF permanently.                                                                    
She did  not have all of  the details but the  Department of                                                                    
Administration (DOA) would have the information.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  understood that when  the previous                                                                    
$400  million  balance  of the  higher  education  fund  was                                                                    
swept,  it  would  account  for $400  million  of  the  $2.7                                                                    
billion.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary responded  that Representative  Josephson offered                                                                    
an  accurate  example, but  the  higher  education fund  was                                                                    
refinanced. There  were smaller  funds that were  also swept                                                                    
and the monies were not put back into the smaller funds.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked if the treasury  had an opinion                                                                    
or formula as to how much money should be kept in the CBRF.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary  responded  that  there  were  various  types  of                                                                    
metrics  that   cities,  states,  and   other  organizations                                                                    
utilized to  determine the  amount of  money that  should be                                                                    
kept in a  fund. A variety of amounts had  been cited as the                                                                    
ideal  number for  a  variety of  reasons,  from about  $500                                                                    
million to $2  billion and above. The  treasury thought that                                                                    
$2 billion was a reasonable marker.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:02:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Crum  added that DOR would  continue to address                                                                    
the  amount of  money kept  in  the CBRF.  A previous  slide                                                                    
showed the  subaccount structure, and he  explained that the                                                                    
subaccounts were  at the discretion  of the  commissioner of                                                                    
DOR  as to  how much  to invest.  The topic  was brought  up                                                                    
before the Senate Finance Committee  and there were internal                                                                    
discussions  on   the  topic  within  DOR.   The  department                                                                    
continued  to   discuss  how  to   determine  when   it  was                                                                    
appropriate  to put  dollars forward  from the  CBRF to  the                                                                    
subaccount to invest for the long term.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary continued on slide  12 and the historical balances                                                                    
of the  two GeFONSI  accounts. The  general fund  itself was                                                                    
part of  the GeFONSI and all  cash flows that came  into the                                                                    
state and went  out of the state flowed  through the general                                                                    
fund.  A minimum  of $400  million was  kept in  the general                                                                    
fund to  ensure that there  were enough funds for  the state                                                                    
to make  its required payments.  There were about  180 other                                                                    
accounts and  funds that had  assets within the  GeFONSI and                                                                    
the  accounts  were  managed   together  but  accounted  for                                                                    
separately. The first  GeFONSI was created in 1992  as a way                                                                    
to pool accounts for investments  and the second GeFONSI was                                                                    
created in 2018  to target a slightly  higher risk tolerance                                                                    
for a  subset of the funds.  As on June 30,  2023, there was                                                                    
$3.27  billion  in  the  GeFONSI  funds  combined  and  $1.2                                                                    
billion of the total represented the general fund.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:05:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson asked  why money  was left  in the                                                                    
general  fund  during the  years  of  high oil  prices  from                                                                    
around 2007 through 2012.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary   responded  that  the  legislature   decided  to                                                                    
maintain the money  in the general fund and not  put it into                                                                    
the CBRF.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  asked if there  was an opinion  as to                                                                    
what the balance  of the CBRF would need to  be to allow the                                                                    
subaccount to be funded.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary   replied  that  there  was   a  five-year  usage                                                                    
requirement  for any  funds that  went into  the subaccount.                                                                    
Unless there was  money that would not be  touched or needed                                                                    
for five years, the money  would remain in the main account.                                                                    
Both  the subaccount  and the  main account  had independent                                                                    
asset allocations, which was also a matter of discussion.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp understood  that  the  CBRF was  being                                                                    
utilized in  five years depending  upon revenue  factors. He                                                                    
asked  if there  was a  ballpark  number for  the amount  of                                                                    
money that needed to be kept in the CBRF.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  responded that the  total amount incoming  to the                                                                    
CBRF was  known, but the  amount coming to the  general fund                                                                    
was   not  known.   There  was   a  significant   amount  of                                                                    
uncertainty about  whether money  would be available  to the                                                                    
general fund.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  mentioned that  the appendix and  the end  of the                                                                    
presentation  listed  the  top  30  funds  in  both  GeFONSI                                                                    
accounts.  She  thought  members   might  be  interested  in                                                                    
reading through the list.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:09:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Hanna  continued on  slide  13.  The risk  factors  for                                                                    
GeFONSI I  and GeFONSI II were  on the moderate high  end of                                                                    
the scale.  Both funds had  a short-term  investment horizon                                                                    
and  principal protection  needed to  be high.  He indicated                                                                    
that  GeFONSI  I was  85  percent  cash equivalents  and  15                                                                    
percent short-term bonds and GeFONSI  II was 61 percent cash                                                                    
equivalents,  33 percent  short-term  bonds,  and 6  percent                                                                    
equity. Performance was  good for both funds in  2023 with a                                                                    
5.34 percent return for GeFONSI  I and a 6.22 percent return                                                                    
for GeFONSI  II. Both accounts  performed well in  excess of                                                                    
benchmarks.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary continued  to slide  14 and  detailed the  Alaska                                                                    
Higher  Education and  Investment  Fund  (AHEIF). The  slide                                                                    
showed  the  historical  balances  of AHEIF.  The  fund  was                                                                    
capitalized  with a  $400 million  balance from  receipts of                                                                    
the Alaska  Housing Capital Corporation (AHCC)  and was used                                                                    
for paying Alaska Performance  Scholarship Awards (APSA) and                                                                    
the AlaskAdvantage Education Grants  (AEG). She relayed that                                                                    
at least  7 percent could be  appropriated for scholarships,                                                                    
two-thirds of which was allocated  to the APSA and one-third                                                                    
was allocated to AEG. In FY  22, HB 322 established AHEIF as                                                                    
a separate  fund and deemed it  as a fund that  could not be                                                                    
swept to the CBRF.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson acknowledged  that using  the word                                                                    
"separate"  when  referring  to   AHEIF  was  "magical."  He                                                                    
consulted the appendix and noted  that there were large sums                                                                    
in  other  accounts.  He  asked  how  vulnerable  the  other                                                                    
accounts were  to the failure  to reverse sweep on  June 30,                                                                    
2023. He wondered  if the accounts would  all be essentially                                                                    
spent by the operating budget.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  replied that she  was unsure which  components of                                                                    
the funds were  sweepable, but she understood that  it was a                                                                    
fairly  small number.  Some funds  were used  over time  and                                                                    
other funds  were replenished at  the start of the  year and                                                                    
were used for a particular year.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hanna  continued on  slide 15  and explained  that AHEIF                                                                    
had  a  high-risk profile  to  work  to achieve  the  fund's                                                                    
spending objective, which was capped  at 7 percent. The risk                                                                    
profile for  the fund was set  at the risk equivalent  of 70                                                                    
percent  equities  and  30 percent  bonds.  The  full  asset                                                                    
allocation  for  2022  was  39  percent  U.S.  equities,  29                                                                    
percent  international   equities,  5  percents   REITs,  30                                                                    
percent  core U.S.  fixed income,  and 1  percent cash.  The                                                                    
performance over the past year  was strong at 16.45 percent,                                                                    
which was  55 basis points  in excess of the  benchmark. The                                                                    
ten-year performance  was strong  at 6.74 percent  through a                                                                    
volatile period.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:13:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary continued on slide  16 and detailed the historical                                                                    
invested assets  in PSTF. She  shared that the  ending value                                                                    
of the fund in 2023 was  $761 billion. The fund was stood up                                                                    
in 1978 and  was funded by one half of  one percent of state                                                                    
receipts from  the management of  state lands. The  fund was                                                                    
used  to  provide an  offset  for  the kindergarten  through                                                                    
twelfth  grade   formula  funding.  For  FY   24,  the  fund                                                                    
contributed  $32 million  to the  public education  fund and                                                                    
was expected  to contribute approximately $35  million in FY                                                                    
25.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hanna continued on slide  17 and explained that the PSTF                                                                    
had a  long time horizon.  The fund  had the same  high risk                                                                    
profile  as the  higher education  fund and  its performance                                                                    
over the last year was  similar and strong at 16.43 percent,                                                                    
which was  53 points  in excess of  the benchmark.  The ten-                                                                    
year performance of the fund was 6.46 percent.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Coulombe understood  that there  was a  five                                                                    
percent draw from the PSTF  which contributed to funding the                                                                    
formula; however,  there were boundaries  around the  use of                                                                    
the fund.  She asked if there  was any avenue to  access the                                                                    
account apart from the five percent draw.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary responded  that she  was not  aware of  any other                                                                    
avenue.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Coulombe recalled that  AHEIF was capped at 7                                                                    
percent. She  asked if all of  the funds from the  7 percent                                                                    
appropriation were  being used  for the  scholarship grants.                                                                    
She  asked if  the  money  was only  pulled  out  as it  was                                                                    
needed.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary responded that AHEIF  had been used for awards and                                                                    
grants and less than 7 percent  had been taken out. The rest                                                                    
of  the monies  still remained  in the  fund. She  indicated                                                                    
that the  fund was used in  the past for other  purposes and                                                                    
was not exclusively for PSTF.  She understood that there was                                                                    
a bill  that would  potentially increase  the amount  of the                                                                    
scholarships and the grants.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary  continued  on  slide   18  and  the  Power  Cost                                                                    
Equalization  (PCE)   fund.  The  slide  showed   the  asset                                                                    
balances through June 30, 2023,  which totaled $946 million.                                                                    
The management duties  of the fund were  transferred to APFC                                                                    
through the  passage of SB  98 and  would go into  effect on                                                                    
July 1, 2023.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Hanna continued  on slide  19  and noted  that PCE  was                                                                    
fully  liquidated to  cash for  transfer at  the end  of the                                                                    
fiscal year  [FY 23]. Performance  was tracked  through June                                                                    
30,  2023,  and the  fund  performed  well with  a  one-year                                                                    
performance of  9.59 percent.  The team  made sure  that the                                                                    
fund  was fully  invested for  as long  as possible,  and it                                                                    
managed to capture  the majority of the  market rebound that                                                                    
occurred during the first part  of the fiscal year. The fund                                                                    
was at 100 percent cash on the last day of the fiscal year.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:19:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary advanced to slide 20  and noted the assets for two                                                                    
of  the  funds for  which  ARMB  was the  fiduciary:  Public                                                                    
Employees'   Retirement   System    (PERS)   and   Teacher's                                                                    
Retirement System  (TRS). The  funds totaled  $29.8 billion.                                                                    
She explained  that the defined  benefits plans  were closed                                                                    
funds and  experienced withdrawals. The board  was comprised                                                                    
of  nine   trustees:  two  for   PERS,  two  for   TRS,  two                                                                    
commissioners, two  public representatives, and  one finance                                                                    
officer. The investment returns were  just over 7 percent in                                                                    
2023  and the  39-year average  for  PERS and  TRS was  8.95                                                                    
percent, which  compared favorably with the  current assumed                                                                    
actuarial rate of 7.25 percent.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp understood  that the  treasury had  to                                                                    
liquidate all  of the  assets of  the PCE  fund in  order to                                                                    
transfer  the assets.  He  asked why  the  assets could  not                                                                    
simply   be  transferred   from  the   fund  without   being                                                                    
liquidated.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Hanna  clarified  that  when   assets  were  sold,  new                                                                    
securities  needed to  be purchased  by  APFC. He  explained                                                                    
that  APFC  had  a  different   asset  allocation  than  the                                                                    
incoming PCE  assets; therefore,  many of the  assets needed                                                                    
to be sold anyway in order  to buy into the pools managed by                                                                    
APFC.   There  were   also   many   operational  and   legal                                                                    
complexities  in transferring  securities between  entities.                                                                    
The judgement of the treasury  in consultation with APFC was                                                                    
that the  operational challenges and  potential implications                                                                    
of  the  challenges  outweighed the  potential  benefits  of                                                                    
transferring assets without first liquidating the assets.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hanna continued on slide 21  and noted that PERS and TRS                                                                    
made up about 80 percent  of assets managed by the treasury.                                                                    
The systems had a more  complex asset allocation because the                                                                    
accounts  did not  have the  same liquidity  requirements as                                                                    
direct  state assets.  The current  asset allocation  was 43                                                                    
percent  public equities,  21 percent  fixed income,  and 36                                                                    
percent  alternative investments.  Returns  had been  strong                                                                    
and the  treasury typically  focused on  longer-term returns                                                                    
for the  retirement systems to increase  stability. The ten-                                                                    
year return had been 7.4  percent, which was 91 basis points                                                                    
over the benchmark return.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Hanna   relayed  that  the  treasury   had  received  a                                                                    
suggestion from  one of  the state's  independent investment                                                                    
advisors  to quantify  the benefit  in  dollars because  the                                                                    
basis points  system was sometimes confusing.  The analytics                                                                    
team used  ten years  of daily cash  flow data  to calculate                                                                    
how  much additional  value the  excess returns  provided in                                                                    
assets. On average, the total  excess returns were well over                                                                    
$2 billion when the  retirements systems were roughly valued                                                                    
at $20  billion. The returns  were in the top  quartile when                                                                    
compared  with other  public pension  systems.  Part of  the                                                                    
excess return  could be attributed to  the low-cost approach                                                                    
employed  by the  treasury,  which led  to  costs that  were                                                                    
roughly 30 percent lower than  the systems' median peers and                                                                    
equated  to  a  consistent  annual  savings  of  between  30                                                                    
million and  50 million.  Overall, strong returns  from ARMB                                                                    
had provided  meaningful contributions to  retirement assets                                                                    
and reduced the needs for higher state contributions.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:24:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Johnson   commented   that   the   returns   were                                                                    
impressive. She asked if the  treasury's unique strategy was                                                                    
the reason  that the retirement  systems had  higher returns                                                                    
than the Permanent Fund.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hanna replied  that the returns from  the Permanent Fund                                                                    
and  from the  retirement  systems had  been fairly  similar                                                                    
over  the long  term. The  retirement systems  had differing                                                                    
asset allocations  from the Permanent  Fund and  a different                                                                    
purpose.  The  retirement  systems   were  mature  and  were                                                                    
becoming   more  mature   over   time   and  the   liquidity                                                                    
requirements  would  increase  as  time went  on  while  the                                                                    
ability to  hold alternative investment would  decrease over                                                                    
time. Returns  would differ on  an annual basis and  in some                                                                    
years, the  retirement systems had  higher returns  while in                                                                    
other  years  the  Permanent Fund  had  higher  returns.  He                                                                    
thought that all of the  funds were well-managed investments                                                                    
for the state.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp commented that  Alaska State Senate was                                                                    
debating a bill regarding  retirement systems that assumed a                                                                    
rate of return  that was above the five-year  average of the                                                                    
existing  retirement funds.  The board  revised the  rate of                                                                    
return  down  from 7.38  percent  to  7.25 percent.  He  was                                                                    
concerned  that the  rate of  return from  the board  itself                                                                    
would  be revised  down again  and cause  problems with  the                                                                    
benefits system. He asked if  the treasury had seen anything                                                                    
that would suggest that the  projected rates of return would                                                                    
be revised down in the near future.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hanna  replied that  ARMB went  through a  process every                                                                    
four  years   that  involved  setting   accrual  assumptions                                                                    
inclusive of the rates of return. In 2022, the long-                                                                            
standing  expected return  of 7.3  percent had  been revised                                                                    
downward  to   7.25  percent.  The  numbers   tended  to  be                                                                    
influenced by a  backward look at performance  and there had                                                                    
been a long period of  extremely low rates that cumulated in                                                                    
zero interest  rates in 2021. Rates  influenced the expected                                                                    
returns and  performance for  a long  period of  time, which                                                                    
had culminated  in most public  pensions reducing  the rates                                                                    
of return, including  ARMB. A few years  prior, the interest                                                                    
rates were  at 0  percent but in  the present  day, interest                                                                    
rates  were over  5 percent,  which  provided a  significant                                                                    
uplift   for  most   portfolios.  The   retirement  systems'                                                                    
portfolio  had a  21 percent  exposed fixed  income and  the                                                                    
expected  returns  were now  in  excess  of 5  percent.  The                                                                    
expected returns influenced other asset classes.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Hanna remarked  that  he had  seen  the capital  market                                                                    
assumptions released  by Callan  in the  prior week  and the                                                                    
treasury utilized the assumptions for  ARMB as well as other                                                                    
longer-term  state assets.  The treasury  assumed that  ARMB                                                                    
and  other 70/30  endowments like  PSTF would  experience an                                                                    
increase of 25  basis points to 40 basis points  over a ten-                                                                    
year investment  horizon. The next  time ARMB  set actuarial                                                                    
assumptions, it would review  capital market assumptions and                                                                    
all   of  the   economic  information   and  set   the  best                                                                    
expectation possible. A decrease  in expected returns was no                                                                    
longer  expected and  it was  more likely  that the  returns                                                                    
would "bottom out" or potentially experience an uplift.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:29:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  asked  for   a  description  of  the                                                                    
treasury's low cost methods.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hanna  responded there were dedicated  direct investment                                                                    
teams within  the treasury.  His team had  a group  that had                                                                    
managed direct  fixed-income investments  for the  state for                                                                    
decades  and  managed  long-standing direct  investments  of                                                                    
cash  portfolios and  fixed income.  There  was a  dedicated                                                                    
equity group  that managed direct investments  on the equity                                                                    
side that focused mainly on  retirement systems, which was a                                                                    
source  of   savings.  The  treasury  was   able  to  manage                                                                    
investments  and assets  which made  the process  better and                                                                    
cheaper than  outsourcing the tasks. The  treasury had moved                                                                    
away  from "active"  management on  the equity  side towards                                                                    
more index  oriented management which was  much less costly.                                                                    
Returns  were not  always  higher, but  the  returns in  the                                                                    
recent years had been higher.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tomaszewski  understood that there  was $29.8                                                                    
billion in  PERS and TRS.  He directed attention to  slide 5                                                                    
which indicated  that there was  $41.5 billion in  assets in                                                                    
ARMB. He asked where the discrepancy was.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Hanna responded  that  there  were fourteen  retirement                                                                    
systems and he was only  discussing four of the systems. The                                                                    
defined contributions  systems were close to  $10 billion in                                                                    
assets, which  made up  most of  the discrepancy.  The other                                                                    
$1.1  billion  was  a collection  of  other  retirement  and                                                                    
defined  benefit systems  or defined  benefit components  of                                                                    
the defined contribution plans.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Tomaszewski asked  if there  was a  slide on                                                                    
the topic.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Hanna responded  that he  would be  happy to  follow up                                                                    
with the information.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson asked  for clarification  that the                                                                    
$10 billion in defined  contributions was the employer share                                                                    
of  assets.  He asked  if  the  employee contributions  were                                                                    
segregated from the total.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hanna responded  in the affirmative. As  of December 31,                                                                    
2023,   participant   directed  investments   totaled   $9.4                                                                    
billion.  The   figure  represented   the  asset   value  in                                                                    
participant  directed accounts  in total  and included  both                                                                    
the  employee  and   employer  contributions  that  occurred                                                                    
through the end of the calendar year.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Stapp   asked  if   the   consumer-directed                                                                    
accounts  were   performing  better  than  other   types  of                                                                    
accounts.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hanna replied that he  did not have the information. The                                                                    
default  option for  participant-directed  assets were  age-                                                                    
appropriate  target-date funds  and the  funds had  a strong                                                                    
performance overall.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:34:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary continued on slide  22 and indicated that the next                                                                    
portion  of  the  presentation would  focus  on  state  cash                                                                    
flows. She  advanced to  slide 23 which  was a  depiction of                                                                    
the general fund  and the cash inflows and  cash outflows of                                                                    
the  fund. Examples  of cash  inflows included  tax revenue,                                                                    
the  earnings reserve  funds,  federal  dollars, and  agency                                                                    
receipts.   Examples  of   cash  outflows   included  school                                                                    
education payments,  Medicaid payments, payroll  and pension                                                                    
payments,  and  debt  service payments.  All  of  the  money                                                                    
coming  in and  out of  the state  went through  the general                                                                    
fund.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary continued to slide  24 to discuss the cash inflows                                                                    
and  outflows   in  greater  detail.  One   of  the  biggest                                                                    
components  of  cash  inflows  was  commodity  or  petroleum                                                                    
revenues, which were  projected to be 37 percent  for FY 24.                                                                    
There  was some  uncertainty  surrounding petroleum  revenue                                                                    
due  to volatility  and production.  There  would always  be                                                                    
uncertainty  because oil  was  based  on in-year  forecasted                                                                    
revenues.  The other  large component  of  cash inflows  was                                                                    
investment revenues,  which accounted  for about  56 percent                                                                    
of general funds  in FY 24. There  was certainty surrounding                                                                    
incoming investment revenues in the  present year and in the                                                                    
following  year due  to a  lagging percent  of market  value                                                                    
(POMV)   from  APFC.   The   certainty   allowed  for   more                                                                    
consistency  in knowing  which funds  were  coming into  the                                                                    
general fund to make payments.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary moved  to slide  25 and  discussed the  impact of                                                                    
expenditures.  There  was often  a  need  for cash  outflows                                                                    
before  there  were sufficient  cash  inflows,  such as  for                                                                    
federal programs like Medicaid  that required that the state                                                                    
spend money before  it could be reimbursed.  There were also                                                                    
appropriations at  the beginning  of each year  which needed                                                                    
to be allocated to various funds  in order to be utilized by                                                                    
various  agencies.   The  appropriations  would   not  match                                                                    
incoming revenue  at the beginning  of the year.  There were                                                                    
also seasonal  cash flow needs  that impacted the  amount of                                                                    
money that was  needed to flow out of the  general fund each                                                                    
year;  for   example,  summer  was   the  peak   season  for                                                                    
construction projects and seasonal workers.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson  noted that  a concern  she had  heard from                                                                    
state contractors  was that  the contractors  were "carrying                                                                    
the  state at  a  level  they had  never  carried the  state                                                                    
before." Many contractors were not  getting invoices paid on                                                                    
time. One contractor  in particular told her  that they were                                                                    
owed  $18 million.  She did  not  think it  was an  isolated                                                                    
incident and  it seemed to  be a  pattern. She asked  if Ms.                                                                    
Leary  had  any   thoughts  as  to  what   was  causing  the                                                                    
situation.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary responded  that  the  treasury's cash  management                                                                    
group  oversaw  net cash  inflows  and  outflows. The  group                                                                    
could see which agency the  cash was flowing through but not                                                                    
necessarily the details of which  bills were being paid. The                                                                    
only situation in which the  treasury would get involved was                                                                    
if agencies  were not requesting  federal funds in  a timely                                                                    
manner. She did not have  a detailed response and thought it                                                                    
was an agency issue.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson wanted to clarify  that the problem was not                                                                    
systemic across  all state  payments, but  it seemed  to her                                                                    
that it was systemic. She  wanted to make sure payments were                                                                    
being made and would continue to look into the issue.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:40:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson commented that  for the second year                                                                    
in a row,  the Foraker Group had  expressed frustration that                                                                    
non-profits  were not  receiving  payments  from grants.  He                                                                    
understood  that  non-profit  groups  could  legally  charge                                                                    
interest and  penalty to  the state if  the groups  were not                                                                    
paid on  time. He assumed  the treasury was not  the correct                                                                    
agency to consult about the issue.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary responded that the  treasury was purely "agnostic"                                                                    
in  terms of  cash inflows  and  outflows. The  role of  the                                                                    
treasury was  to ensure  that the money  was flowing  to the                                                                    
correct  destination.  The  treasury was  not  independently                                                                    
able to stop  payments unless it was  informed that payments                                                                    
going out  needed to be  halted. There  was often a  lack of                                                                    
direction  or  description  on where  general  fund  inflows                                                                    
belonged, in which  case the cash inflows would  be put into                                                                    
a suspense account until the  treasury could determine where                                                                    
the money belonged.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Coulombe  asked for  more information  on the                                                                    
Federal Emergency Management  Agency (FEMA) payment process,                                                                    
particularly in relation to wildfire mitigation.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  responded that the  money that came in  from FEMA                                                                    
was  put into  a fund  with a  direct purpose  and would  be                                                                    
under  the  purview  of  the   agency  overseeing  the  FEMA                                                                    
amounts. She was not overly familiar with the process.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Coulombe understood that  DOR would spend the                                                                    
money, then the  FEMA money would be set aside  for a direct                                                                    
purpose and the funds would return to the department.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary responded in the affirmative.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:44:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary continued  on  slide 26  and  detailed cash  flow                                                                    
deficiencies, which  referred to  situations in  which there                                                                    
were  expenditures that  were greater  than the  sum of  the                                                                    
incoming revenue. The general fund  was used in the past for                                                                    
a wider variety of reasons,  while there were more specified                                                                    
funds in the  present day that captured funds  like the ones                                                                    
detailed in  the appendix of  the presentation.  The general                                                                    
fund  was  somewhat  constricted  by  the  amount  of  money                                                                    
contained in the fund for  the purpose of paying the state's                                                                    
bills. There would be cash  flow deficiencies throughout the                                                                    
year which were  managed by adjusting the timing  of the ERA                                                                    
transfer  to  the  general  fund   and  managing  timing  of                                                                    
expenditures. About ten  years prior, all of  the money went                                                                    
into the  education funds for  payment all at once,  but the                                                                    
money was  not being  used immediately. The  treasury worked                                                                    
out  a payment  structure to  implement more  consistency by                                                                    
transferring money  into the education  fund on  a quarterly                                                                    
basis. She relayed  that the treasury would  employ the same                                                                    
strategy with other expenditures.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  advanced to slide  27 and explained  that revenue                                                                    
shortfalls   were   different    than   cash   flow   timing                                                                    
deficiencies. Revenue  shortfalls occurred when  revenue was                                                                    
insufficient  to cover  general fund  appropriations in  any                                                                    
given  fiscal  year. There  was  language  in the  operating                                                                    
budget that  appropriated budget  reserve funds  for revenue                                                                    
shortfalls. The treasury had relied  on the appropriation to                                                                    
authorize  use  of  budget reserve  funds  to  address  both                                                                    
revenue  shortfalls and  cash  flow  timing mismatches.  The                                                                    
CBRF   had   been   used   to   cover   revenue   shortfalls                                                                    
historically. She clarified that  revenue shortfalls did not                                                                    
necessarily occur every year.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin understood that  there had been issues                                                                    
paying  contractors in  a timely  manner. She  asked if  the                                                                    
funds were available for the  check writers. She wondered if                                                                    
the  problem was  that the  funds had  not been  transferred                                                                    
early enough  for the  check writers to  have access  to the                                                                    
funds when writing the checks.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  responded that one  of the main functions  of the                                                                    
cash management groups  was to ensure that  there was enough                                                                    
money to pay  the state's bills on time. The  treasury had a                                                                    
$400  million minimum  cash threshold  for the  general fund                                                                    
and it acted  as a safeguard to ensure that  the state could                                                                    
pay its bills even if the  bills were all due at once, which                                                                    
was unlikely. The treasury maintained  the threshold and any                                                                    
time  there was  a risk  of the  total decreasing  below the                                                                    
threshold, it  would utilize funds from  an available source                                                                    
to compensate  for the lower  total. There was  $3.5 billion                                                                    
scheduled in  ERA transfers  in the  current year,  and from                                                                    
January 1, 2024,  through the present day,  the treasury had                                                                    
called  about  $2.1  billion  of   the  ERA  transfers.  The                                                                    
treasury worked  with APFC  to change  the schedule  when it                                                                    
was necessary. The schedule was  set at the beginning of the                                                                    
year  and  it  was  based on  forecasted  incoming  revenue.                                                                    
Specific expenses were  also a known value  and the treasure                                                                    
aimed to  monitor the  expenses at  all times.  The treasury                                                                    
intended to always have enough money to pay the bills.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin commented  that important transactions                                                                    
should always continue.  She hoped that the  state could get                                                                    
to the bottom of the problem.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:50:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  advanced to slide  28, which was a  discussion on                                                                    
the  cash deficiency  memorandum of  understanding developed                                                                    
in  1994 between  DOR,  DOA, the  Office  of Management  and                                                                    
Budget (OMB), and  the Department of Law  (DOL). The minimum                                                                    
cash  threshold had  changed over  the years  to become  the                                                                    
current  $400  million  threshold. The  memorandum  outlined                                                                    
procedures on  how to address  cash flow  timing mismatches.                                                                    
The    procedures   included    developing   monthly    cash                                                                    
projections,  monitoring daily  general fund  cash balances,                                                                    
executing appropriated  transfers, and  performing temporary                                                                    
fund borrowing to  be repaid by the fiscal year  end. In the                                                                    
event of a forecasted  revenue shortfall, the treasury would                                                                    
seek  legislative action  through the  governor's office  to                                                                    
access  additional funds  through  appropriation from  other                                                                    
reserve funds. If all strategies  failed, the treasury would                                                                    
begin to prioritize disbursements.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Tomaszewski  asked   about  the  details  of                                                                    
borrowing  money and  whether  it  would involve  inter-fund                                                                    
borrowing or if there was a line of credit.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary replied  that the treasury did not have  a line of                                                                    
credit.  She explained  that there  was  a past  legislative                                                                    
bill  that  allowed  borrowing   to  be  an  alternative  to                                                                    
accessing any  funds. The treasury was  presently limited to                                                                    
the  ERA  and CBRF  and  borrowing  from the  sweepable  sub                                                                    
funds.   She  emphasized   that  the   treasury  had   never                                                                    
restricted cash payments out the door.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked if there  was an update  on the                                                                    
management  of cash  from cannabis  sales. She  acknowledged                                                                    
that the question was slightly off-topic.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Johnson  suggested  that   Ms.  Leary  finish  the                                                                    
presentation  prior  to  answering  Representative  Hannan's                                                                    
question.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary summarized  slide 29 and indicated  that cash flow                                                                    
forecasting  changed  due  to   the  amount  and  timing  of                                                                    
revenues and expenditures. Even  with balanced budgets, cash                                                                    
flow  timing mismatches  would  still  occur. She  explained                                                                    
that  revenue  shortfalls  could  occur  if  the  forecasted                                                                    
assumptions were wrong. She concluded her presentation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  restated her question  about cannabis                                                                    
cash management.  She knew there were  some issues regarding                                                                    
the cash used to pay  taxes on cannabis. She understood that                                                                    
there was a plan to address  the problem and she was looking                                                                    
for an update.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary responded  that she did not have  an update. There                                                                    
was a  plan to  deposit cash  into a safe,  but she  did not                                                                    
know the status of the plan.  She relayed that the issue was                                                                    
mainly under  the purview of  the Tax Division  although the                                                                    
treasury would receive the money.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  asked  for  clarification  that  Ms.                                                                    
Leary's  understanding was  that  there was  still only  one                                                                    
depository  with an  inflow of  cash  and all  of the  taxes                                                                    
across the state had to transfer the cash to Anchorage.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary responded in the affirmative.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:55:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp asked about  the GeFONSI Permanent Fund                                                                    
Dividend (PFD) Trust  account listed in the  appendix of the                                                                    
presentation.  He asked  for confirmation  that the  account                                                                    
contained the "hold harmless" funds.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary responded  that the fund contained  the money that                                                                    
was  transferred to  APFC to  pay  dividends. She  clarified                                                                    
that the  account held the funds  that were used to  pay out                                                                    
the PFD checks.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp  noted  that  there  was  a  budgetary                                                                    
provision that took  PFD revenue and paid  the hold harmless                                                                    
funds to the Social  Security Administration. When the money                                                                    
was allocated for the dividend,  the actual spending for the                                                                    
program was  around $6 million  below what  was appropriated                                                                    
in the budget. He asked what happened to the excess funds.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary responded  that the money remained  in the account                                                                    
and  was used  in  the calculations  going  forward for  the                                                                    
following year.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:56:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Johnson  reviewed  the agenda  for  the  following                                                                    
day's meeting.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:57:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 2:57 p.m.